Seminary Dropout 40: David Gungor & John Arndt of The Brilliance

thebrillianceFriends David Gungor & John Arndt together form the band, The Brilliance. As I say in the interview, they sound a little like a score from an M. Night Shyamalan movie (one of the good early ones), with a little bit of Ben Folds, and David Bazaan thrown in at times, and at the same time it’s something completely unique and groundbreaking.

You can find The Brilliance online at thebrilliancemusic.com

Check out their recent albums:

 

 

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Seminary Dropout 39: Brooke Waggoner. The Singer/Songwriter Talks Fame, Art & Christ Following.

Brooke-17Brooke Waggoner grew up in a musical household and started writing music around the age of 8 or 9. Luckily for us she kept at it and now has released several albums. Some of her songs are hauntingly beautiful and some are just down right fun. Brooke was classically trained and it shows in a genre that doesn’t require a classic influence, but when it’s birth control there, you feel it.

Brookes latest album is called Originator. Originator is a faster paced album compared to her past outtings, but her signature depth and musical intracacies are still in tact. It’s a beautiful album that’ll be stuck in your head in the best way.

Find Brooke online at BrookeWaggoner.com

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3 Reasons To Cross the Line with Those with Whom you Disagree

Everyone’s got a line.

Mark Driscoll explained his this way… IMG_4706

“I use the language of national and state borders or boundaries, i can work with anybody in the state borders but i can’t partner with anyone who’s crossed a national border.”

If you’ve followed this blog or Seminary Dropout closely you know that I don’t have much in common with Pastor Driscoll theologically or philosophically. However, on this point, I think he articulates well something that we all practice, and honestly, I think that’s okay. To echo a sentiment Christena Cleveland gave in her recent appearance on Seminary Dropout -I don’t think churches have to be diverse theologically in the same way they should be diverse in other ways. Sure, there needs to be a level of acceptable difference in theology within a church, but the spectrum of Christianity is so great that people from opposite ends would most likely not be productive within the same church.

But when we’re afraid to talk or fellowship with people across the borders we’ve gone too far. It’s like we’re all afraid of having our pictures taken with the guy who turns out to Hitler.

Let’s be honest, those with opposing views can cause our comfort level to plummet – Political Affiliation, Prosperity, Speaking in Tongues, Predestination, LBGTQ issues, Abortion, are you uncomfortable yet? I’m not advocating that we care less about these issues or that we change our minds. I’m not advocating that we have no boundaries or lines, I’m just advocating that we reach across them to love our neighbors as ourself.

1. It allows us to see people as image bearers of God.

Caricatures exist. I’ve seen their talking heads on the news, and their sermons on Youtube. They lack any subtlety, curiosity, and open-mindedness, and they’re usually angry. Subconsciously (and sometimes consciously) we begin to believe that everyone who holds that opinion is just like that caricature. They are God-hating or dumb, soul-less or selfish.

When I have had the opportunity to discuss issues like these with those I disagree, I’m almost always struck by how their opinion is filled with subtlety and thought. That’s not to say that I’m won over, it rarely happens, but that’s not the point. The point is that they become flesh and blood as they sit across the coffee valium table, they become people and not caricatures. That’s why it’s so vitally important that we stop exclusively trading barbs with people across the border via blog posts and open letters. Those mediums are particularly vulnerable to dehumanizing people.

2. It keeps us from ignorance.

Back when I was a pastor our church did not require people to be baptized to be members. We believed in and practiced baptism but simply did not require it for membership. The director of church plants in our denomination simply could not believe this. I think he thought it was close to heresy. I could hardly blame him, as someone employed by the denomination that meant that much of his time he was surrounded by co-workers who reinforced every tiny belief he held. I bet everyone in his office building thought that of course baptism should be required for church membership.

It doesn’t bother me that we had a difference of opinion. What was troubling was that he could not see how it was possible to believe any other way, and truth be told his opinion would be in the minority in big scheme of Christianity throughout history. Keep in mind church membership as we know it today isn’t found in the Bible. That’s not to say that it’s a bad thing or that there was no sense of belonging and commitment to a local church in the Bible.

3. To show that God is bigger, and avoid mocking him.

When Christ-followers display a lack of love for one another we are in effect saying – God is not big or powerful enough to bridge these difference. Either God is at work redeeming the hearts and minds of his followers or he is not. Perhaps we need to trust him more that he is drawing us all to a better understanding of who he is and what that looks like in our lives.

When we give “the line” too much power in our lives we are saying – once you go so far I no longer have to talk with you or show you kindness. This is not the example of Jesus so why should it be the example of the Christ follower.

 

Seminary Dropout 38: Using Story in Spiritual Disciplines & More with Andy Campbell

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You can’t not love those tattoo’s. My friend Andy Campbell joins me on the show to talk his life and work. Andy works at George Fox Seminary and has a pretty great blog on the side. Andy lives in Portland, OR, where he lives with his wife and two daughters. Andy’s done some fascinating work in the area of spiritual discipline which we discuss on the show. Andy and I both have contributed to a book coming out in the fall that features Christian men discussing fatherhood.

You can find Andy’s blog at The Crooked Mouth.

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Essential Reading for the Christ Follower

Here's the premise: If you could recommend 3 or less books (outside of the Bible) to a new believer, what would they be? [Hint: If all 3 books were written in your lifetime, you're doing it wrong.]
Let's create an essential reading list for Christ followers.

May 22, 2014 by John Lussier - amazon.com - 374
Mere Christianity
May 22, 2014 by Kurt Willems - amazon.com - 395
Surprised by Hope: Rethinking Heaven, the Resurrection, and the Mission of the Church: N. T. Wright: 9780061551826: A...

In Surprised by Hope: Rethinking Heaven, the Resurrection, and the Mission of the Church, top-selling author and Anglican bishop, N.T. Wright tackles the biblical question of what happens after we die and shows how most Christians get it wrong. We do not “go to” heaven; we are resurrected and heaven comes down to earth--a difference that makes all of the difference to how we live on earth. Following N.T. Wright’s resonant exploration of a life of faith in Simply Christian, the award-winning author whom Newsweek calls “the world’s leading New Testament scholar” takes on one of life’s most controversial topics, a matter of life, death, spirituality, and survival for everyone living in the world today.

May 22, 2014 by John Lussier - amazon.com - 321
Life Together: The Classic Exploration of Faith in Community 1st (first) Edition by Bonhoeffer, Dietrich published by...

Life Together: The Classic Exploration of Faith in Community 1st (first) Edition by Bonhoeffer, Dietrich published by HarperOne (2009) on Amazon.com. FREE shipping on qualifying offers.

May 22, 2014 by Kelly Foster - amazon.com - 330
The Cost of Discipleship
May 22, 2014 by John Lussier - amazon.com - 373

"In plain words--if you can accept them as plain--Christianity is the life and death and resurrection of Christ going on day after day in the souls of individual men and in the heart of society. It is this Christ-life, this incorporation into the Body of Christ, this union with His death and resurrection as a matter of conscious experience, that St.

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The Divine Conspiracy by Dallas Willard

May 22, 2014 by Tommy Royce
The Divine Conspiracy by Dallas Willard
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Life of the Beloved by Henri Nouwen

May 22, 2014 by Tommy Royce
Life of the Beloved by Henri Nouwen
May 22, 2014 by Kurt Willems - amazon.com - 317
The Naked Anabaptist: The Bare Essentials of a Radical Faith (Third Way Collection): Stuart Murray

The Naked Anabaptist needed to be written, and I can't imagine anyone better than Stuart Murray to write it. I fully share Stuart's enthusiasm for what the Christian community at large can learn from the Anabaptist way of being Christian, and I hope you'll share my enthusiasm for this book.

May 22, 2014 by Kelly Foster - amazon.com - 417
The Practice of the Presence of God
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Celebration of Discipline by Richard Foster

May 23, 2014
Celebration of Discipline by Richard Foster
May 22, 2014 by John Lussier - amazon.com - 326
The Imitation Of Christ
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The Ragamuffin Gospel

May 27, 2014 by Mitchell Roush
The Ragamuffin Gospel
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Prophetic Imagination

May 22, 2014 by Benjamin Howard
Prophetic Imagination
May 22, 2014 by John Lussier - amazon.com - 308
The Apostolic Fathers
May 22, 2014 by Kurt Willems - amazon.com - 374
The Myth of a Christian Nation: How the Quest for Political Power Is Destroying the Church: Gregory A. Boyd: 97803102...

'Boyd's intervention into the discussion is welcome. He is bold,... passionate, and discerning, while still attempting to be charitable. Boyd doesn't pull punches, denouncing the nationalistic 'idolatry' of American evangelicalism, which often fuses the cross and the flag.

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Benefit of the Doubt

May 23, 2014 by Tim Hocking
Benefit of the Doubt

In Benefit of the Doubt, influential theologian, pastor, and bestselling author Gregory Boyd invites readers to embrace a faith that doesn't strive for certainty, but rather for commitment in the midst of uncertainty. Boyd rejects the idea that a person's faith is as strong as it is certain. In fact, he makes the case that doubt can enhance faith and that seeking certainty is harming many in today's church. Readers who wrestle with their faith will welcome Boyd's message that experiencing a life-transforming relationship with Christ is possible, even with unresolved questions about the Bible, theology, and ethics. Boyd shares stories of his own painful journey, and stories of those to whom he has ministered, with a poignant honesty that will resonate with readers of all ages.

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How To Read The Bible For All Its Worth

May 22, 2014 by Tim Durant
How To Read The Bible For All Its Worth
Jun 03, 2014 by Ben Menghini - books.google.com - 300
Orthodoxy

Gilbert Keith Chesterton (1874-1936) has been called "the ablest and most exuberant proponent of orthodox Christianity of his time." In this captivating classic, Chesterton offers a unique explanation of the essentials of the Christian faith, and of his own journey from scepticism to belief.

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Revelations of Divine Love

May 22, 2014 by Benjamin Howard
Revelations of Divine Love
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Speaker for the Dead

May 22, 2014 by Benjamin Howard
Speaker for the Dead
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Pursuit of God A.W. Tozer

May 23, 2014 by Nathan Joshua Gilbert
Pursuit of God A.W. Tozer

This book talks about how a Christian should live a selfless life, and will make the necessary sacrifices of worldliness to Glorify God with every part of their life.

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On God and Christ by Gregory of Nazianzus (Popular Patristics Series)

Jun 02, 2014 by David Russell Mosley
On God and Christ by Gregory of Nazianzus (Popular Patristics Series)

The Theological Orations (defending the divinity of the Son and the Spirit and assigning to their divinity the foundation of deification) and two related letters of Gregory of Nazianzus

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Seminary Dropout 37: Christena Cleveland, Disunity in Christ: Uncovering the Hidden Forces that Keep Us Apart

CCChristena Cleveland is many things, she’s a social psychologist, a gifted teacher, a consultant to pastors and leaders on multicultural issues, but she is also a Jesus follower who has used her expertise and research to call the church to unity through diversity.  In Disunity in Christ: Uncovering the Hidden Forces that Keep Us Apart, Christena aptly points out that simply saying that the doors are open and anyone is welcome is not the DiCsame as pursuing diversity, and that premier-pharmacy.com diversity should not be an option for churches today. The book not only points out the racial homogeneity among Christians today, but the class and theological homogeneity as well.

My favorite quote of Christena’s in this interview is: “I think that the unified body of Christ is the vehicle through which God wants to do everything.”

Find Christena and all of her resources at christenacleveland.com.

 

 

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The Pretty Big Book Giveaway!

UPDATE: And the winner is… Adam Lorenz!!!

 

As a podcaster and blogger I receive TONS of books in the mail. Most are review copies I’ve requested for possible interviews, and some are just books publishers are promoting. Also, as a podcaster and blogger, I have a small mans health house, and those books are taking over. Thus, it’s contest time. I’m not saying it’s a ginormous book giveaway, but it’s a pretty big book giveaway. These are quality books too. Most are brand new, but a few have some markings and illegible notes in them I made while reading. I wish I could keep them all but ya know, the small house thing.

One lucky winner will received all 9 books shown below. This is over a $125 value!

To enter simply subscribe to Seminary Dropout in iTunes, and leave a comment, any comment, in the comments section below. Remember, you must subscribe to Seminary Dropout in iTunes AND leave a comment. I thought about requiring a screen shot showing your subscription, but that’s too much work so subscribing is on the honor system. Yes, you could cheat the system to win a bunch of books about Jesus, but… seriously?!

Ok good luck! Entries will be accepted until Thursday the 22nd at midnight. I’ll announce the winner here next Friday.

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Seminary Dropout 36: Frank Viola, a More Biblical Church & Following Jesus

frankToday on the show my guest is author, speaker, and writer Frank Viola. Frank has written books about the church such as Pagan Christianity?: Exploring the Roots of Our Church Practices, and Reimagining Church: Pursuing the Dream of Organic Christianity. He also writes about following Jesus in books such as Jesus: A Theography, and his latest Jesus Now: Unveiling the Present-Day Ministry of Christ. Frank has ruffled some feathers in his day by suggesting that maybe the church as we know it today doesn’t look very much like what the New Testament Church was. Whether you agree with him or not, Frank’s ideas and teachings demand a thoughtful examination and cannot be easily cast aside.

12294492-frank-viola-jesus-now-releases-may-1Jesus Now is Frank’s newest book. In it he examines what exactly Jesus has been doing in the lives of ordinary people like you and me since his time on earth.

Find Frank and all of his resources online at FrankViola.org

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Seminary Dropout 35: How to Alleviate Poverty Without Hurting the Poor & Yourself – Brian Fikkert

WHH Five years ago When Helping Hurts: How to Alleviate Poverty Without Hurting the Poor . . . and Yourself hit the shelves. For many of us, it was a game changer. Most Christ-followers have a desire to help those in poverty, but perhaps the biggest barrier is that we simply don’t know how. Authors Steve Corbett & Brian Fikkert establish two main truths that help us navigate this tumultuous issue: systems are broken… and so are people.

Not only do Steve & Brian use solid and reliable research, but they also stepped out of the classroom and applied what they’ve learned in real life situations. The book is only filled with insightful concepts about helping the poor, but hopeful stories about erectile dysfunction those who have actually made it out of debilitating poverty. All of this is presented from the viewpoint of a Christ-follower.

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Author of WHH, Brian Fikkert joins me to talk about the concepts he laid out in the book along with co-author Steve Corbett. Brian is a Professor of Economics & Community Development, and the
Executive Director of The Chalmers Center in Lookout Mountain, Georgia.
On the show we discuss…
-some things we do that might actually hurt the poor.
-what kind of help is actually needed & when.
-what YOU can do.

Learn more about what Christians can & should do to alleviate poverty at Chalmers.org
Follow Brian Fikkert on twitter.

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Q & A with Frank Viola On His New Book ‘Jesus Now: Unveiling the Present-Day Ministry of Christ’

You’ve probably heard of Frank Viola, whether it be through his books, his podcast or in person at one of his speaking engagements. Frank will be on Seminary Dropout very soon to talk about his work and ministry, but he has a new release available TODAY so I decided to sneak in a quick Q & A with him specifically about this new book: Jesus Now: Unveiling the Present-Day Ministry of Christ.

You’ve written a few books specifically about Jesus. What did you want to say in ‘Jesus Now’ that you didn’t say in previous books?

Yes, in Jesus Manifesto, the subject was about how and why so many Christians suffer from JDD (Jesus Deficit Disorder) and how to fix it.

In Jesus: A Theography, the subject was the Jesus story from Genesis to Revelation and how theology and New Testament scholarship don’t have to be enemies.

In Jesus Now, the subject is laser focused on what Jesus Christ has been doing since His ascension until His second coming. In other words, the book explores everything the New Testament teaches us about what Jesus is doing today . . . now . . . and how it benefits you and me.

 

This book is about what Jesus is doing on earth NOW. What made you want to write about that?

Two reasons.

1. I’m unaware of any book that treats this subject in any detail, touching all the New Testament texts on the subject.

2. The present-day ministry of Jesus Christ is fascinating and highly practical. It’s life-changing, in my opinion and experience.

 

What kinds of things do you see Jesus doing now?

Jesus has essentially 7 ministries today.

Great High Priest

Chief Shepherd

Heavenly Bridegroom

Author and Finisher of Our Faith

Builder of the Ekklesia

Head of the Church

Lord of the World

The book unfolds each ministry using Scripture, experience, and stories.

Each ministry has practical application for us today and solves most of our common problems and struggles.

 

What are followers of Christ missing out on by not seeing the activity that Jesus is behind now?

A great deal. If they don’t know Him as Head of the Body, they won’t know how to continue His ministry today. Instead, they’ll rely on their own strength and understanding to do it and it will yield very little fruit in the long run.

If they don’t know Him as the Author and Finisher of their faith, they will get stuck  in their spiritual development. They will also lose heart and motivation to press on.

If they don’t know Him as High Priest, they will suffer with a guilty conscience, won’t know the dividing of spirit and soul in their experience (Heb. 4:12), and won’t take advantage of His other roles as High Priest.

If they don’t know Him as Lord of the world, they won’t understand how His lordship becomes a living reality in the earth today, but will question it, because if we turn on the news or read the paper, it doesn’t appear that Jesus really is the Lord of the world right now. Those are just a few examples.

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