Seminary Dropout 46: ‘Slow Church’ Authors Chris Smith & John Pattison


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As it says on the back cover of ‘Slow Church’:

Chris Smith & John Pattison invite us out of franchise faith and back into the kingdom of God, where people know each other well and love one another as Christ loved the church.

Some things we discuss on the show…

  • the McDonaldization of the church and what it’s doing to us
  • some dangerous ramifications of the church growth movements
  • why efficiency in the church may not be a good thing




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Seminary Dropout 45: Kerry Weber, Author of ‘Mercy in the City’


kerry weberKerry Weber is a Mercy Associate and Managing Editor of America magazine. She is an alumna of the Mercy Volunteer Corps and of the Columbia University Graduate School of Journalism. She lives in New York City.

The Corporal Works of Mercy are 7 acts. Six come from Matthew 25:34-40 and the final one comes from the Book of Tobit.

1. To feed the hungry.
2. To give drink to the thirsty.
3. To clothe the naked.
4. To harbour the harbourless.
5. To visit the sick.
6. To visit the imprisoned.
7. To bury the dead.

Kerry had an apiphany when she realized she never did any of these things. Then, she set out to change that.


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Mercy In The City is Kerry’s real life tale of loving God by serving the homeless, meeting with those in prison, giving away clothing, and more. Oh yeah, and the entire time she also gave up sugar and alcohol!! It’s fun, honest, and most of all heartfelt.

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Seminary Dropout 44: Preston Sprinkle, Author of Fight: A Christian Case for Nonviolence


PrestonSprinklePreston Sprinkle is a New York Times bestselling coauthor, he also has a PhD in New Testament from Aberdeen University and currently teaches at Eternity Bible College, and will be moving to Boise, Idaho with his family to help EBC establish a new campus there.

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Preston joins me to talk about his latest book Fight: A Christian Case for Non-Violence.Preston set out to see what the Bible had to say about violence, and what he found was shocking.

On the show we talk about…

-how the early church  felt about  war.
-what Jesus said about violence.
-some myths about violence in the Old Testament.
-some common objections from Christians about nonviolence.

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Seminary Dropout 43: David Leo Schultz, Director & Producer of ‘Ragamuffin’



David Leo Schultz has had a little bit of experience in show business, even worked with heavy weights like Chevy Chase. Lucky for us David is also a fan of the music and life of Rich Mullins, so much so that he approached Dave Mullins (Rich’s brother) about making a movie about Rich’s life. David talks about that interesting first meeting with Dave, how he originally got shot down, but then was invited for a car ride. David later found out that unbeknownst to him the fate of the entire movie hinged on that car ride. The rest is history.

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I won’t go into the movie too much in these show notes, I already wrote a review and plus, you need to hear all of the details from David himself in the podcast.

If you’re interested in the Ragamuffin Retreats we mentioned in the podcast, you can find out more info here.


I have a DVD of Ragamuffin that could be yours. To enter to win, go to Seminary Dropout in iTunes, subscribe & leave a review, then leave a comment below indicating if you did one or both of those things. You’ll be entered to win once or twice based on those factor. I’ll announce the winner in the next weeks episode.

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Top 10 Seminary Dropout Episodes

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I thought it would be a good idea to have a page to send new listeners to Seminary Dropout.

We’re rapidly approaching 50 episodes which might seem daunting to someone just now finding the podcast. This list can be a good starting point after the current episode.

I find that many people discover Seminary Dropout because I interview someone they’re really into, and after hearing that episode they check out the back catalogue. If you’ve listened to all the interviews of people you know, then this list is a good place to start. After that, just keep up from week to week. The next thing you know, you’ll be a Seminary Dropout-ologist.

I’ll update this list when I need to so hopefully it will always be accurate.

1. Episode 17: Jamie Wright

2. Episode 12: Derek Webb

3. Episode 1: Tony Kriz

4. Episode 6: Shane Claiborne

5. Episode 3: Tony Campolo

6. Episode 11: Richard Foster

7. Episode 4: Roger Olson

8. Episode 2: Mary Demuth

9. Episode 19: Scot McKnight

10. Episode 5: Katelyn Beaty

Seminary Dropout 42: Christian Piatt, Talking Homebrewed Christianity’s Culture Cast, Fatherhood & More


piatt picChristian Piatt is an author, editor, speaker, musician and spoken word artist. Currently he serves as the Director of Acquisitions and Author Development for CrowdScribed, and as the Director of Growth and Development for First Christian Church (DOC) in Portland, OR, of which his wife Amy is the Senior Minister.

Christian is the creator and editor of the Banned Questions book series, including the latest in the series: Banned Questions About Christians. He co-created and co-edits the WTF: Where’s the Faith? young adult series.

Christian has a memoir on faith, family and parenting called PregMANcy: A Dad, a Little Dude and a Due Date. His first book for Jericho Books, called postChristian: What’s Left? Can We Fix It? Do We Care? comes out in hardback in August, 2014.

Seminary Dropout 41: Bruxy Cavey



Bruxy Cavey, author of best selling End of Religion, is Teaching Pastor of The Meeting House in Canada. If you’ve listened to Bruxy’s sermons in person or online, you know they’re unique, creative, and accessible without being shallow. Bruxy joins me on the show to talk about his fascinating journey that led him to become an Anabaptist and a pastor at The Meeting House, his book The End of Religion, and the arch of scripture. I loved when Bruxy dropped this little gem…

“Real church happens when you turn the chairs to face each other.” -Larry Crabb


In The End of Religion, Cavey contends that the Jesus described in the Bible never intended to found a new religion; instead he hoped to break down the very idea of religion as a way to God. With a fresh perspective on biblical stories, Cavey paints a picture of the world God originally intended and still desires: a world without religion. (from the back cover)

You can find Bruxy online at

You can find The Meeting House online at

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Seminary Dropout 40: David Gungor & John Arndt of The Brilliance


thebrillianceFriends David Gungor & John Arndt together form the band, The Brilliance. As I say in the interview, they sound a little like a score from an M. Night Shyamalan movie (one of the good early ones), with a little bit of Ben Folds, and David Bazaan thrown in at times, and at the same time it’s something completely unique and groundbreaking.

You can find The Brilliance online at

Check out their recent albums:



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Seminary Dropout 39: Brooke Waggoner. The Singer/Songwriter Talks Fame, Art & Christ Following.


Brooke-17Brooke Waggoner grew up in a musical household and started writing music around the age of 8 or 9. Luckily for us she kept at it and now has released several albums. Some of her songs are hauntingly beautiful and some are just down right fun. Brooke was classically trained and it shows in a genre that doesn’t require a classic influence, but when it’s there, you feel it.

Brookes latest album is called Originator. Originator is a faster paced album compared to her past outtings, but her signature depth and musical intracacies are still in tact. It’s a beautiful album that’ll be stuck in your head in the best way.

Find Brooke online at

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