Seminary Dropout 021: David Fitch & Geoff Holsclaw

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davidfitchDavid Fitch is a co-pastor and founder of Life on the Vine Christian Community and the author of The Great Giveawaway and The End of Evangelism?

 

 

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Geoff Holsclaw is also a co-pastor at Life on the Vine Christian Community, an adjuncy professor of theology at Northern Seminary, and a regional coordinator for Ecclesia Network.

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David & Geoff join me on Seminary Dropout to talk about their new book Prodigal Christianity. Prodigal Christianity is a book for church & lay leaders to help their churches navigate through different issues of the day (scripture, sexuality, justice, etc.) , especially for those like me who don’t fit well into, what the authors call the Neo-Reformed or Emergent streams of Christianity

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Interview Coming Soon: Philip Yancey

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You’d probably be hard pressed to find a follower of Jesus who hasn’t read a Philip Yancey book.

Yancey has written over 25 books and received numerous awards for his writing.

The first book I read of his was Disappointment with God. From the moment I saw the title I knew it was a book I needed to read. The unabashed honesty of the title took me aback, and stood out from the other surrounding titles in a Christian bookstore.

It seems that Yancey takes great interest in the problem of evil. Not only has he investigated it in Disappointment with God, but also Where is God When it Hurts, and The Gift of Pain.

Now, Yancey has released another: The Question that Never Goes Away

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“Some days, the news seems too much to bear. Yet another tsunami or earthquake or flood or prevented? If we can’t trust God to keep our children safe or our loved ones from dying in agony, what can we trust God for? fire or war atrocity. One more gun-toting madman stalking young people in idyllic Norway or moviegoers in Colorado or schoolchildren in Newtown, Connecticut. We turn off the news only to get a phone call about expectant parents with a stillborn baby, or a loved one whose cancer has returned.
Really, God? we ask. This again?
If we have faith in God, it gets shaken to the core. What was God doing in the moment when that tragedy could have been
In his classic book Where Is God When It Hurts, Philip Yancey gave us permission to doubt, reasons not to abandon faith, and practical ways to reach out to hurting people. Now, with new perspectives and stories gathered across nearly twenty-five years, once again he tackles the hard questions head-on. His visits to three places in 2012 raised the old problems with new urgency.

More veteran pilgrim than curious journalist in his later years, Yancey faces with his trademark honesty the issues that often undermine faith, yet he emerges with comfort and hope. Along the way, he shows that Christians have an important role to play in bringing healing to a deeply wounded world.

There are hopeful reasons to ask, once again, the question that never goes away. . . .” – Publishers Description

If you have any questions for Philip, leave them in the comments section.

5 Lessons Learned through Foster Care to Adoption

Today I’m so happy to have a guest post from my friend Kenneth Camp.  Kenneth and I went to the same college, lived in the same town and were both bloggers, so we became quick friends. He has an amazing story and he’s going to share just a bit of it here. 

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My wife and I decided 3 ½ years ago to embark on a journey. We had no idea how to begin or where it would take us. But we did feel that God was leading us down the path.

 

At the time we had been married for about 22 years and had no children of our own. Years before we pursued infertility treatments on two different occasions. Personally, I was ready to move on without ever having our own children. Then God interrupted my plan.

 

We had a plan to return overseas as missionaries when God impressed on our hearts a desire to look into foster care before we left the states. I didn’t know then or now how He reconciles domestic foster care/adoption with foreign missions. But it seemed clear to us that He wanted us to check into it.

 

The short story is that my wife and I obtained our license to foster and adopt in January 2011. Our first foster placement was an eight-month-old boy in June 2011. We thought he would reconcile with someone in his biological family. However, we ended up adopting him 15 months later.

 

As you can imagine, we learned a lot through this. I write about the entire experience in my book, Adopting the Father’s Heart.

 

Here I share 5 lessons I learned (I really am still learning!) from this experience:

 

How to Stay in the Moment

Because our foster son was originally a foster only placement, he potentially was returning to his family at any time. We were told numerous times that he was reconciling with both his parents, then his father, and then his paternal grandmother.

 

The only way I knew how to love my foster son and give him the care he needed was to avoid thinking about the day he might leave our home. Each day he lived with us, on that day, he was my son, so I loved and treated him as my son. I trusted that God would give me the grace needed for the when he left.

 

Need for Support and Encouragement

We quickly learned that we needed a network of support around us to help us care for our foster son. This included:

  • Logistical support – clothes, age-appropriate items, toys
  • Emotional support – our lives changed overnight. We needed encouragement to make it through this alteration.
  • Network of Expertise – We also needed to network and learn from other families and agencies that had foster care experience.

 

Our Efforts Effected More than One Child

When our foster son was placed with us, I was focused on him alone. Soon I realized that our fostering him intersected our lives with an unknown number of other people.

 

  • Biological family. I really did not think I would have to meet and interact with our foster son’s family. That myth was quickly dispelled. Not long after, I was interceding for them.
  • Social workers, attorneys, and others associated with the case. The fact is case workers are in your home a lot when you foster. And, you have mutual involvement in a traumatic event in a family’s life.
  • Friends and family. Our decision to foster and potentially adopt continues to influence those in our circle. Many now consider how they can care for at-risk children.

 

Need to Live Selfless

As you can imagine, married for over 20 years with no children created several selfish tendencies. I don’t know how I could have avoided that. For example, I liked going and coming whenever and wherever I wished, the quietness of our home, and getting to eat a meal without interruption.

Parenting is a selfless act. Parenting a foster child intensifies selflessness.

 

How to Let Go

A lot of my friends right now are sending off their children to college for the first time. I see them wrestle with the fact that their homes will never be the same. They are letting go.

Foster parents live this each day because the child they love can leave their home at any time.

This takes sacrifice and an open heart. Yes, it is painful. But, this sacrifice reflects the heart of our Father.

 

That is why I entitled my book, Adopting the Father’s Heart. To care for orphans and at-risk children requires the heart of our Heavenly Father.

 

Check out Kenneth’s blog and his new book at kennethcamp.com.

9 Reasons to Run from a Church

This wonderful post by previous Seminary Dropout guest, Roger Olson, and edited by Scot McKnight is a great companion to my “5 Ways to Be Unsatisfied with Your Church” post.

Generally the feedback from the post was positive, but there was some criticism, much of it from people who had been burned by the church and even experienced some sort of spiritual abuse in the past. My only response to those criticisms is that there is no reason why my post and those experiences & complaints can’t both be legitimate. It’s not an either/or situation, rather it’s both/and.

That’s why this post by Olson is also good to keep in mind when you experience a rift in your church life.

Seminary Dropout 020: Cliff Ravenscraft

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Cliff Ravenscraft, is founder of the Generally Speaking Production Network. Podcasting since 2005, Cliff has turned a hobby into his full time business. He has produced hundreds of podcast episodes on topics ranging from Entertainment, Technology, Faith, and Family.

On this episode of  Seminary Dropout, Cliff comes on the show to talk about living out faith in a secular vocation, the church, and ABC’s hit TV show LOST.

You can find out more about Cliff at GSPN.TV

Why I Haven’t Been Blogging Lately…

My presence online has been uncharacteristically quiet lately.

If you follow me on twitter or facebook you know that I’ve been renovating and moving into a new house.

My wife and have been living in a tiny one bedroom apartment since we moved to Austin over two years ago. With a little one on the way we’ve officially outgrown that apartment and decided to move up.

Below are some of our exploits as of late. There are more ‘before’ pictures than ‘afters’. Hopefully I’ll be able to post more ‘afters’ soon!

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“If I had never joined a church till I had found one that was perfect, I should never have joined one at all. And the moment I did join it, if I had found one, I should have spoiled it, for it would not have been a perfect church after I had become a member of it. Still, imperfect as it is, it is the dearest place on earth to us.”

-Charles Spurgeon

5 Ways To Be Unsatisfied With Your Church

1. Don’t participate, merely consume.

If I had to say the one thing holding the American church back today, it would be a consumeristic culture. We’ve come to expect that the latest technology comes standard in our cars. Our movie theaters should have wide rows with extra padded seats and that lean way back.
Unfortunately, we think our church should be no different. Just like the movie theater, we come when the production starts, sit in our seats, are entertained, and think we should leave satisfied when it’s over.

When I was a pastor, those most unsatisfied in our body, were those who just showed up on Sunday’s (sometimes). There was little to no participation in small groups, service projects or teaching and serving within the church.

Obviously there are those in most churches who are seekers, or young in the faith that just need to be taken care of for a season, but that should be a temporary state.

2. Criticize your leadership.

I once heard about a couple who didn’t like their pastor because he told stories about his family in the pulpit before beginning his sermons. Quirky? Yeah, kinda. Unbiblical, sinful, illegal, harmful?! Definitely not. We’ve really got understand the difference.

It’s also not fair to compare your pastor to the celebrity pastor on the other side of the country whose book we just read and now believe that every church everywhere should be run like that celebrity pastors church. Remember that celebrity pastor is in a completely different context. He doesn’t know your church, and he also doesn’t come to your home when you have a tragedy or celebrate with you when you have a baby or other joyous life event.

We’re hard on our pastors. Their job is a very public job. One that’s performed in front of an audience (by ‘performed’ & ‘audience’ I just mean that the duties of the job are undertaken in front of a crowd of people). We would do well to remember that our pastors/church leaders are human beings like us, full of quirks and wrestling with sin and struggles just like we do. Instead of seeing our pastors with targets on their backs, we should see them with love and compassion and as people who have dedicated their time to serve the body.

If you have a legitimate concern, approach your leader about it, and don’t talk about the them behind their back. Be kind, be loving.

3. Don’t spend time with your church outside of the church building.

Most of our churches corporate gatherings serve a great purpose. We worship together and we learn together. But most aren’t very conducive to getting to know each other on a deeper level. This isn’t a failure on the part of our leadership, it’s just the nature of a larger gathering. We need these small group gatherings (not just official ‘small groups’, but parties, coffee dates, men’s/women’s nights, etc.). I’ve found that I learn more about a person over 30 minutes of sharing coffee or a beer, than I did attending liturgy with them for several months.

4. Believe that everything should be about you and for you, all the time.

Not long after Kate and I started attending our current church, they undertook a ‘season of kids’. There was additional time in liturgy given to teaching the children in the church. The kids participated in the service in various ways. Even the sermons were about child-like faith and other themes centered around children.

Kate and I didn’t have children (we now have one on the way if you’re not keeping up), and we were not ourselves children. We had to understand – not everything is about/for us all the time.

That’s not to say that we didn’t get anything from the season of kids, it just wasn’t aimed directly at us, but even that taught us something important, because the church that teaches you that everything is about you, all the time, is preaching a very different message than – lay down your lives for each other.

We were also appreciative to be apart of a church that found value in children and went to great lengths to show it to them.

5. Be unhappy with the fact that it isn’t perfect.

“There is no perfect church, and if you find one, don’t join it because you’ll ruin it.” I don’t know who first said that, but it’s true. All churches are strong in some areas and weak in others. Hopefully churches are always working on those weaknesses, but if we can’t settle for anything less than perfection, then we’re in real trouble.

In his book “Under the Unpredictable Tree,” Eugene Peterson helps pastors be content in the church they are in. Maybe there needs to be a version for church members. In the book Peterson coined the term “Ecclesiastical Pornography.” That is the perfect term to describe the problem that so many people have. We look at the church down the street, or the church in town that’s “doing really well,” or the celebrity pastor’s church and think – “they have it all together” or “they’re doing church right.”

Many people start attending those churches and after the honeymoon period wears off, they find that church has weaknesses of its own. Sadly many people go through life thinking the perfect church is just around the corner, or as many young evangelicals do, they decide that they don’t need church at all and embark on solo-Christianity.

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Church is like marriage in a lot of ways. In the beginning it’s fun, and exciting, but eventually the honeymoon comes to an end and it’s work, real work, but we find that the work is rewarding and worthwhile, and it’s work that God meant for us to be doing.


 

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Seminary Dropout 019: Scot McKnight

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Today I’m proud to have Scot McKnight with me on the podcast.

Scot is a recognized authority on the New Testament, early Christianity, and the historical Jesus. McKnight, author or editor of forty books, is the Professor of New Testament at Northern Seminary in Lombard, IL.  Dr. McKnight has given interviews on radios across the nation, has appeared on television, and is regularly speaks at local churches, conferences, colleges, and seminaries in the USA and abroad. Dr. McKnight obtained his Ph.D. at the University of Nottingham (1986).

Scot sits down to talk about Jesus Is Lord Caesar Is Not, which he edited with Joseph B. Modica.

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As the tagline infers, the book is an evaluation of Empire Criticism in the New Testament. For those unfamiliar with Empire Criticism as I was before reading the book, it can defined as an approach to New Testament studies whereby the New Testament’s message is seen primarily as a criticism of the Roman empire.

I loved every second of this interview with Scot, and was especially struck by this statement…

“There is politicization…. Young evangelicals have become progressives… Progressives today are socially active, believing that the way to make society better,  so for instance the aim is the common good, the aim is repairing the world, the aim is to be significant in the world and make the world a better place, the aim is socio political, and means is socio political, namely they see themselves as repairing the world  by becoming involved in social justice, that is a fundamental politicization of discipleship in the church and Christianity, in fact so politicized is it that many of these young progressive evangelical type Christians and non-evangelical type Christians have very little to do with the church… it’s a progressive posture in our culture on the part of Christians where they see their fundamental task to work for the common good by providing water, helping to end sex trafficking, etc., all of these things are good, but they are divorced from the church and they are anchored in the actions of politicians in Washington DC and Berlin and London, these become the central focus and when that happens we do exactly what happened when Gustavo Gutierrez was arguing  in the 1970’s and 80’s that the church has to be de-centralized, so what we have I think is a colossal politicization of the church in our world  today and it is impacting the church in ways that I think could be remarkable.”

Please go and hear this for yourself in the context of the entire interview! Then come back and tell me what you think about what Scot said.

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Some Updates to the Blog

Unless you’re reading this on a blog reader you’ve noticed that the site looks pretty different. I’m revamping the whole thing so excuse the dust. I’ll be making some minor modifications along the way, but the blog should remain completely functional the entire time.

Let me know what you think thus far!