Seminary Dropout 36: Frank Viola, a More Biblical Church & Following Jesus

frankToday on the show my guest is author, speaker, and writer Frank Viola. Frank has written books about the church such as Pagan Christianity?: Exploring the Roots of Our Church Practices, and Reimagining Church: Pursuing the Dream of Organic Christianity. He also writes about following Jesus in books such as Jesus: A Theography, and his latest Jesus Now: Unveiling the Present-Day Ministry of Christ. Frank has ruffled some feathers in his day by suggesting that maybe the church as we know it today doesn’t look very much like what the New Testament Church was. Whether you agree with him or not, Frank’s ideas and teachings demand a thoughtful examination and cannot be easily cast aside.

12294492-frank-viola-jesus-now-releases-may-1Jesus Now is Frank’s newest book. In it he examines what exactly Jesus has been doing in the lives of ordinary people like you and me since his time on earth.

Find Frank and all of his resources online at FrankViola.org

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Seminary Dropout 35: How to Alleviate Poverty Without Hurting the Poor & Yourself – Brian Fikkert

WHH Five years ago When Helping Hurts: How to Alleviate Poverty Without Hurting the Poor . . . and Yourself hit the shelves. For many of us, it was a game changer. Most Christ-followers have a desire to help those in poverty, but perhaps the biggest barrier is that we simply don’t know how. Authors Steve Corbett & Brian Fikkert establish two main truths that help us navigate this tumultuous issue: systems are broken… and so are people.

Not only do Steve & Brian use solid and reliable research, but they also stepped out of the classroom and applied what they’ve learned in real life situations. The book is only filled with insightful concepts about helping the poor, but hopeful stories about erectile dysfunction those who have actually made it out of debilitating poverty. All of this is presented from the viewpoint of a Christ-follower.

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Author of WHH, Brian Fikkert joins me to talk about the concepts he laid out in the book along with co-author Steve Corbett. Brian is a Professor of Economics & Community Development, and the
Executive Director of The Chalmers Center in Lookout Mountain, Georgia.
On the show we discuss…
-some things we do that might actually hurt the poor.
-what kind of help is actually needed & when.
-what YOU can do.

Learn more about what Christians can & should do to alleviate poverty at Chalmers.org
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Q & A with Frank Viola On His New Book ‘Jesus Now: Unveiling the Present-Day Ministry of Christ’

You’ve probably heard of Frank Viola, whether it be through his books, his podcast or in person at one of his speaking engagements. Frank will be on Seminary Dropout very soon to talk about his work and ministry, but he has a new release available TODAY so I decided to sneak in a quick Q & A with him specifically about this new book: Jesus Now: Unveiling the Present-Day Ministry of Christ.

You’ve written a few books specifically about Jesus. What did you want to say in ‘Jesus Now’ that you didn’t say in previous books?

Yes, in Jesus Manifesto, the subject was about how and why so many Christians suffer from JDD (Jesus Deficit Disorder) and how to fix it.

In Jesus: A Theography, the subject was the Jesus story from Genesis to Revelation and how theology and New Testament scholarship don’t have to be enemies.

In Jesus Now, the subject is laser focused on what Jesus Christ has been doing since His ascension until His second coming. In other words, the book explores everything the New Testament teaches us about what Jesus is doing today . . . now . . . and how it benefits you and me.

 

This book is about what Jesus is doing on earth NOW. What made you want to write about that?

Two reasons.

1. I’m unaware of any book that treats this subject in any detail, touching all the New Testament texts on the subject.

2. The present-day ministry of Jesus Christ is fascinating and highly practical. It’s life-changing, in my opinion and experience.

 

What kinds of things do you see Jesus doing now?

Jesus has essentially 7 ministries today.

Great High Priest

Chief Shepherd

Heavenly Bridegroom

Author and Finisher of Our Faith

Builder of the Ekklesia

Head of the Church

Lord of the World

The book unfolds each ministry using Scripture, experience, and stories.

Each ministry has practical application for us today and solves most of our common problems and struggles.

 

What are followers of Christ missing out on by not seeing the activity that Jesus is behind now?

A great deal. If they don’t know Him as Head of the Body, they won’t know how to continue His ministry today. Instead, they’ll rely on their own strength and understanding to do it and it will yield very little fruit in the long run.

If they don’t know Him as the Author and Finisher of their faith, they will get stuck  in their spiritual development. They will also lose heart and motivation to press on.

If they don’t know Him as High Priest, they will suffer with a guilty conscience, won’t know the dividing of spirit and soul in their experience (Heb. 4:12), and won’t take advantage of His other roles as High Priest.

If they don’t know Him as Lord of the world, they won’t understand how His lordship becomes a living reality in the earth today, but will question it, because if we turn on the news or read the paper, it doesn’t appear that Jesus really is the Lord of the world right now. Those are just a few examples.

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Seminary Dropout 34: Eddie Byun talking Human Trafficking & What the Church Can Do

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eddieIn November 2010 Pastor Eddie Byun was given a copy of David Batstone’s Not for Sale. Eddie devoured the book and quickly became shocked and outraged about the injustice that was human trafficking. Since then Eddie and his church, Onnuri English Ministry have been working in various ways to combat human trafficking both in their homeland of South Korea and around the world.

In his book Justice Awakening: How You and Your Church Can Help End Human Trafficking
Byun writes justiceabout what his church has done to combat human trafficking. Recognizing that the root of human trafficking is a spiritual issue fueled by greed and lust, and the church must treat it as a spiritual issue, fighting with prayer, awareness, and love.

Here are just a few resources mentioned in the book:

For a series of sermons on human trafficking and justice, visit Eddie’s website, eddiebyun.com

Some organizations:
hopeberestored.org
notforsalecampaign.org
polarisproject.org
Free2Work.org

 

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3 Reasons the Atheist Stereotype Needs to Die

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In Christianity the atheist stereotype is stuff of legend. He’s usually a college professor, and he delights in humiliating Christians.

There’s even been a movie made about it. In the pioneer days of the internet, email forwards abounded that would tell story of a college professor that dared his students to prove God exists. One professor held a piece of chalk in the air and dared an underdog-undergrad student to pray to God for him to keep the chalk from breaking when it hit the floor. Of course the pure-hearted student did and the chalk hit the cuff of the professors pants, softening its fall to the ground and leaving the chalk whole. The professor is embarrassed and I guess the entire class prays for Jesus to be their personal Lord and Savior or something (I read it a long time ago). Nevermind that this story is most likely not true, more than that, it’s not helpful.

Obviously atheists exist, some are even evangelical in their atheism, but this stereotype, which serves as a stand in for every unbeliever, or even people who just ask hard questions,  needs to die. Here’s why…

1. It makes us lazy and cultivates anti-intellectualism within us. 

If we can reduce an unbeliever into a mean, faux intellectual with a chip on their shoulder, then we never have to actually engage our minds in the questions they are posing. It’s a way of saying that we don’t’ have to answer any of these questions because the atheist isn’t interested in answers, and even if we did, they would just keep on believing what they want, so why even bother. Also I suspect that some of us are afraid of what we might find if we go searching too deep for answers. This is something Greg Boyd covered so thoroughly in Benefit of a Doubt if you’re interested.

2. It robs us of humility.

I fear that many Christians decide to find out what atheists believe and then decide to believe the opposite. This doesn’t so much make us Christ-followers as much as it makes us contrarians.
I wonder if so many Christians would be so opposed to evolution if wasn’t for the fact that many atheists share that belief. Why is it so hard to believe that God, in his infinite creativity, chose to create humans in this way (Yes, I know the common argument is ‘that’s not how the Bible said it happened’, but that’s a matter of disagreement in biblical interpretation, which is bigger subject that I can cover in the scope of this post)?
Another common belief among atheists is that religion is responsible for a great amount of violence and hate in the world. Pastor (and soon to be Seminary Dropout guest) Bruxy Cavey agrees with this and explored in detail in his book ‘The End of Religion’. Greg Boyd tells a story of being invited to debate a prominent atheist over this question, but had to decline because he agreed with him on the issue, which would have made for a boring debate. I too unequivocally believe that religion has been responsible for a great amount of undue bloodshed and horror. Following Jesus however only results in redemption, reconciliation, and resurrection. Ironically we could learn from atheists in this regard if we weren’t so convinced in our hubris that they are wrong about every minute opinion and that we have it so completely figured out. This sinful pride robs from God all mystery and awe.

3. It’s robs a person of the image of God in which they were made, it dehumanizes them.

Perhaps the most demonic thing the atheist stereotype does is produce in us the ability to see people as something less than people God loves and Jesus died for. O’ that it were so easy to divide people into mindless robots of the devil and salt of the earth God-fearing people. You want God to triumph over unbelief? Then love the atheist, don’t demonize him/her.

I’m not one to say that we should have no enemies. To say that is to nullify the command to ‘love our enemies’ (Matt5:44). That’s just the God we worship, the one who died for his enemies, and assured us that ‘our struggle is not against flesh and blood’ (Eph6:12) with no exceptions. The atheist stereotype works hard to create an exception.

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Seminary Dropout 33: Elizabeth Esther Talking about Life in a Cult in Her Book ‘Girl at the End of the World’

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Many of us grew up in a somewhat more conservative environment than the one we live in now, but Elizabeth Esther grew up in an actual cult. A commune, a strict dress code and leaders who went unchecked & unrestrained, it’s all there. In her first book ‘Girl at the End of the World’, Elizabeth writes about her life growing up preaching on the streets, unable to hold hands with boys, and rehearsing an escape plan in preparation for the apocalypse. How she finally left the group, but couldn’t bring herself to leave God. All of this weeks Seminary Dropout.
Note: There are some parts of this interview that you probably don’t want your kids to hear. 

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Girl at the End of the World: My Escape from Fundamentalism in Search of Faith with a Future (affiliate link)

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Redemption & Reconciliation in The Royal Tenenbaums. (Best Read While Listening to ‘Everyone’ by Van Morrison)

For the last ten years if you’ve asked me what my favorite movie is, I probably told you it’s The Royal Tenenbaums. There have been a few flavors of the month for me since then but TRT has really stood the test of time.

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I didn’t see TRT until it was on DVD in the fall of 2002. I honestly didn’t like it that much the first time. I only knew that it was a comedy and that my friends liked it. I thought it was going to be in the vain of Office Space or Meet the Parents. It wasn’t.

A few years later I was a senior in college and my friend found a special addition copy on sale from a music & movie store that was going out of business (You see kids, there used to be these places called stores that were made out of these things called bricks, and in some of these stores they sold things called DVD’s that were like Netflix streaming but only for one movie and it came on this small metalic frisbee and you had to travel to this store and pay money for this frisbee and take it home and put it inside a frisbee player, and you know what, ask your older siblings about it. ). I borrowed the DVD from my friend and decided to give TRT another shot.

It changed my life.

Well it reminded me of life at least. The life that Jesus makes possible through the Gospel.

You see The Royal Tenenbaums is about a family. A messed up family.

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Royal Tenenbaum is the family patriarch. He cheats on his wife, he lies to his children, he steals from his son, and he lives a life of luxury that he can not afford. He only thinks of himself.

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When Etheline, whom Royal has been separated from for several years entertains a proposal of marriage by her accountant, Royal becomes jealous and devises a plan. Royal lies and tells Etheline that he wants to spend more time with her and the family because he’s dying of stomach cancer.

 

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Chas Tenenbaum is the oldest of the children. Chas was born an adult. Like the narrator, voiced by Alec Baldwin says ‘Chas Tenenbaum had, since elementary school taken most of his meals in his room standing up at his desk with a cup of coffee “to save time”.’ As a child when his parents separate and Royal moves out, Chas takes it the hardest.
As an adult Chas’s wife dies in a plane crash and in the aftermath he becomes overprotective of his sons Ari & Uzi. Chas has become bitter in many ways, especially towards his father of whom he goes years without speaking to. Above all else, Chas is scared, scared of fire, scared of being alone, scared of life.

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Richie Tenenbaum’s grief manifests itself differently. Richie was a professional tennis player but had a breakdown and lost his nerve. He runs away from his pain by traveling around the world on a boat. Richie was Royals favorite and thus is more forgiving of Royals abandoning of the family. Richie’s hopelessness eventually leads to a failed suicide attempt.

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Margot was adopted by Royal & Etheline at age 2. Whenever Royal introduces Margot to his friends, he is sure to introduce her as “my adopted daughter, Margot”. As a child Margot is promising playwright, but all ambition and joy is gone by the time she reaches adulthood. She medicates her depression first by marrying a man closer to her fathers age, and then by smoking in the tub while watching TV all day.

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Through various circumstances all members of the Tenenbaum family wind up back home under the same roof. The adult children are reacquainted (reluctantly in Chas’s case), Royal spends time with Etheline when he can, and introduces Ari & Uzi to mischief via gambling, shot lifting, and hopping rides on garbage trucks.

Eventually Royal’s lies catch up to him when Henry, the accountant who’s proposed to Etheline, does some investigating and can’t find Royal’s doctor or hospital, also Henry’s first wife died of stomach cancer, and in his words ‘you don’t eat 3 cheeseburgers a day with french fries when you got it’. Immediately any goodwill that Royal has built over the last few days is lost.

Royal is faced with his lies and forced to be honest. This reminds me of Brennan Manning’s, The Ragamuffin Gospel, specifically where Manning tells a story of checking himself into a months long rehab for alcoholism. In one of the group sessions a participant named Max refused to be honest about his alcohol problem and the pain it causes his family. The leader of the group eventually called Max’s wife on speakerphone described an incident in which he went into a bar while his 9 year old daughter was left in a car alone in subfreezing temperatures, leaving her with frostbite so bad that her thumb and a finger would need to be amputated as well as permanent hearing loss. Max convulsed on the floor weeping when this story came to light. He begged to stay in the program even though he had not been honest, and according to Manning ‘he proceeded to undergo the most striking personality change I had ever witnessed’. I’ll never forget that story and what Manning said immediately after it, he said

“An intimate connection exists between the quest for honesty and a transparent personality. Max could not encounter the truth of the living God until he faced his alcoholism.”

There’s something spiritual about coming clean, even if it’s not your choice. There’s something about the truth that sets us free. Being caught in his lies, is Royals turning point.

Royal is proactive in his repentance: he gives Etheline the divorce she has asked for so that she can marry Henry, he asks Henry for forgiveness for treating him badly, he get’s a job, he gives humble advice to Richie and helps him get help for his best friend Eli’s drug problem, he takes Margot for ice cream and expresses his remorse. Finally he tries to take Ari & Uzi on an outing, but Chas is not having it, refusing to forgive and let go.

Finally with the family gathered for Etheline & Henry’s wedding, Ari & Uzi are on the sidewalk playing with their dog Buckley and suddenly Eli comes driving into the scene in his sports car at full speed, not having dealt with his drug problem, he’s high. He loses control, there’s a crash. Although Buckley, the dog, didn’t make it, Ari & Uzi have been pushed out of the way, by Royal.

 

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After seeing that his sons are unharmed, Chas chases Eli through the house with fire in his eyes. When Richie tries to get Chas to stop, Chas elbows his brother in the eye. Chas throws Eli over the backyard fence in his rage, turning back to the family he has a moment to catch his breath and gain some clarity. Now faced with his family including the brother he’s just injured, he’s embarrassed. He jumps the fence himself, finds Eli laying down and lays down beside him. Faced with the ugliness of their deepest flaws. Eli says ‘I need help,’ Chas replies ‘me too’. This is their turning point.

 

Eli goes to rehab out of state, and Chas forgives Royal and sees him as a father for the first time in a very long time. Chas also learns how to let go and stop being scared. Margot dares to allow herself to be happy, and Richie plays tennis again.

Not long after that, Royal dies of a heart attack, but not before he’s saved his family. In the character of Royal, we see ourselves with our lies, lust, cheating, and stealing, but we also see Christ, setting us free, being the father we always needed, and dying.tumblr_lhw5o5Py111qao2x8o1_500

 

 

Seminary Dropout 32: Talking Baseball, Music & the Gospel with Brady Toops.

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My guest today is musician Brady Toops. You might have read about Brady’s music in Relevant Magazine. His sound is reminiscent of that whole rootsy, unplugged thing we all really like (see why I’m not a music critic?), but manages to stay original and not be another cookie cutter Mumford imitator.

In 2011 Brady released his first album, a 5 song EP called ‘A Little Love‘. His latest is a full-length album, produced by David bradytoopsalbumLeonard (of All Sons and Daughters), self titled Brady Toops.

On this episode we talk about definitions of success, and discuss the possible reasons why my favorite songs are the ones he least suspects.

You can find Brady on…
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bradytoops.com

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