Seminary Dropout 47: Carlos Whittaker, Musician, & Author of Moment Maker


carlosMy guest today is worship leader, and author Carlos Whittaker. Carlos has been the worship leader for Andy Stanley’s Buckhead Church in Atlanta and is on the leadership team for Catalyst, as well as leading worship at many of their events.




In Moment Maker, Carlos explains his methodology for living intentionally and claiming moments that touch the lives of others, whether that be his family, his friends, his colleagues, or total strangers.




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Seminary Dropout 46: ‘Slow Church’ Authors Chris Smith & John Pattison


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As it says on the back cover of ‘Slow Church’:

Chris Smith & John Pattison invite us out of franchise faith and back into the kingdom of God, where people know each other well and love one another as Christ loved the church.

Some things we discuss on the show…

  • the McDonaldization of the church and what it’s doing to us
  • some dangerous ramifications of the church growth movements
  • why efficiency in the church may not be a good thing




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Seminary Dropout 45: Kerry Weber, Author of ‘Mercy in the City’


kerry weberKerry Weber is a Mercy Associate and Managing Editor of America magazine. She is an alumna of the Mercy Volunteer Corps and of the Columbia University Graduate School of Journalism. She lives in New York City.

The Corporal Works of Mercy are 7 acts. Six come from Matthew 25:34-40 and the final one comes from the Book of Tobit.

1. To feed the hungry.
2. To give drink to the thirsty.
3. To clothe the naked.
4. To harbour the harbourless.
5. To visit the sick.
6. To visit the imprisoned.
7. To bury the dead.

Kerry had an apiphany when she realized she never did any of these things. Then, she set out to change that.


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Mercy In The City is Kerry’s real life tale of loving God by serving the homeless, meeting with those in prison, giving away clothing, and more. Oh yeah, and the entire time she also gave up sugar and alcohol!! It’s fun, honest, and most of all heartfelt.

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Seminary Dropout 44: Preston Sprinkle, Author of Fight: A Christian Case for Nonviolence


PrestonSprinklePreston Sprinkle is a New York Times bestselling coauthor, he also has a PhD in New Testament from Aberdeen University and currently teaches at Eternity Bible College, and will be moving to Boise, Idaho with his family to help EBC establish a new campus there.

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Preston joins me to talk about his latest book Fight: A Christian Case for Non-Violence.Preston set out to see what the Bible had to say about violence, and what he found was shocking.

On the show we talk about…

-how the early church  felt about  war.
-what Jesus said about violence.
-some myths about violence in the Old Testament.
-some common objections from Christians about nonviolence.

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Also remember that if you want to hear Michael Gungor on Seminary Dropout, then go tell him on twitter by tweeting ‘Hey  I’d love to hear you on  with .’ If you don’t have twitter you could go to the Gungor facebook page and say the same thing (dropping the twitter handles).

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Seminary Dropout 43: David Leo Schultz, Director & Producer of ‘Ragamuffin’



David Leo Schultz has had a little bit of experience in show business, even worked with heavy weights like Chevy Chase. Lucky for us David is also a fan of the music and life of Rich Mullins, so much so that he approached Dave Mullins (Rich’s brother) about making a movie about Rich’s life. David talks about that interesting first meeting with Dave, how he originally got shot down, but then was invited for a car ride. David later found out that unbeknownst to him the fate of the entire movie hinged on that car ride. The rest is history.

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I won’t go into the movie too much in these show notes, I already wrote a review and plus, you need to hear all of the details from David himself in the podcast.

If you’re interested in the Ragamuffin Retreats we mentioned in the podcast, you can find out more info here.


I have a DVD of Ragamuffin that could be yours. To enter to win, go to Seminary Dropout in iTunes, subscribe & leave a review, then leave a comment below indicating if you did one or both of those things. You’ll be entered to win once or twice based on those factor. I’ll announce the winner in the next weeks episode.

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Like I said on the show, we’re trying something new. I’m enlisting your help in launching twitter campaigns to get the attention of some hard to reach people who would make great guests on Seminary Dropout. The first person is Michael Gungor. To help me book Michael tweet:
“Hey  I’d love to hear you on  with .”

Guest Post by Stephen Carter

Stephen Carter is a writer, husband, father, & friend. He lives in Portland with his wife Rachel, and 2 beautiful girls, Avery & Rylee. When he’s not reading or writing, he enjoys a local micro-brew, or a strong cup of coffee. He is passionate about literature, theology, justice, Daniel Day-Lewis movies, U2 records (but with strong reservations about No Line on the Horizon), and believes that the right words can change the world. He can be found on: Twitter: @stephenedwardc Email: Stephen’s site was originally attacked by some kind of porn virus and didn’t have anywhere to post this. I offered to post it here as a guest post and he obliged. I’m happy to say that his site is back & it’s porn free. You should check it out -


It is cold out. One of those desert nights that just slightly stings the inside of my nose as I inhale, each breath a sharp reminder of my existence. I pull my cloak tighter around my shoulders, straining to get near the fire. This is not a dream, as much as I wish it was.

I’m trying to push his words out of my mind. Trying to think of anything else. 

“3 times.”

He clearly wasn’t in his right mind. Who knows how long it’s been since he has slept. It’s like he doesn’t know who I am anymore. One minute we’re sitting together sharing the Passover meal, the next he’s talking about his blood and body and betrayal. One minute we’re sitting in Gethsemane, praying with him, the next he’s being arrested and dragged away. Judas. Betrayal. He said this would happen. 

The wind kicks up, the fire flickers, and we all push closer. Soon the sun will be up, and I can get away from this crowd. 

What are they doing to him in there? He’s been with them for hours. How long could this possibly take? What wrong has he done? 

“You were with Jesus. The man from Galilee.”

Her voice is high pitched. Soft, but pointed. She knows who she is talking to. She is a servant girl, but her words are sharp. Not accusatory, but direct. 

“I dont’ know what you’re talking about.” 

The words escape my lips before I even realize I am saying them. Will I be lumped in with him? Will they drag me off into the Sanhedrin along side of him? Heaven knows what they would do to me in there. He’s a Rabbi. I’m a fisherman. They certainly won’t show me as much mercy as they’re showing him. Forgive me Jesus. 

I breathe into my hands, pull my cloak tighter, and head toward another one of the fires. Standing around with that servant girl isn’t going to do me any good. She’ll just keep pressing the issue, and I don’t need that right now. My Rabbi is on trial. I can’t focus on much else. 

“This fellow was with Jesus of Nazareth.” 

Another servant girl. This time her words came louder, lightly laced with accusation.

“I promise, I don’t know the man!”

What am I doing? I got out of a boat in the middle of a storm to go to this man. I cut a man’s ear off for him. I have given my entire life to this Rabbi and his teachings for the last three years. What am I gaining by denying that? They’ve seen me with him. They know who I am. Forgive me Jesus. 

The sun is beginning to wake. I can finally start to see without the aid of the fire, albeit not well. I shake a rock from my sandal and find an unattended fire. It’s starting to die, but still, the warmth is comforting. 

“You’re one of them!”
“You were with him!”
“Your accent gives you away.”

There are a multitude of them now. They’ve congregated around my fire and are unrelenting in their accusation. They know who I am. If word spreads much more, they may drag me in there. I can’t fight them all. They’ll overtake me. I’m in trouble if I don’t get out of here. 

“Damnit I swear to God I don’t know him!” 

The words hadn’t finished leaving my tongue before I heard it. The rooster. 

“3 times.” 

As I back away from them, the crowd parts, and I see him. They’re taking him to Pilate. Bloody and bruised, his eyes pierce me. He’s not angry with me. This look is different. It almost looks like pity. He is being drug from the Sanhedrin, has been beaten and who knows what else, and he is pitying me. 

I quickly turn my gaze. I can’t. It’s too much. My entire body is shaking. The tears are hot, salty, and when paired with the nausea, my soul feels like it is dying. I wretch. What have I done? Dear God what have I done? 

He was right. He said this would happen. Everything he’s said would happen, has happened. 

Forgive me Rabbi. I still love you. I really do. 
…stephen carter…

Upcoming Seminary Dropout Guests

One of the pieces of feedback I’ve received so far from the Seminary Dropout Survey, is that some listeners are interested in seeing who the upcoming guests are beforehand and posing possible questions for the guests. Done.

Here is everyone I have booked so far. If you have a question for a guest, leave a comment with 1.) You’re name. 2.) The guests name. & 3.) Your question for that guest.


JR Briggs

Gary Black Jr

Mike Bird

Karen Swallow Prior

Top 10 Seminary Dropout Episodes

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I thought it would be a good idea to have a page to send new listeners to Seminary Dropout.

We’re rapidly approaching 50 episodes which might seem daunting to someone just now finding the podcast. This list can be a good starting point after the current episode.

I find that many people discover Seminary Dropout because I interview someone they’re really into, and after hearing that episode they check out the back catalogue. If you’ve listened to all the interviews of people you know, then this list is a good place to start. After that, just keep up from week to week. The next thing you know, you’ll be a Seminary Dropout-ologist.

I’ll update this list when I need to so hopefully it will always be accurate.

1. Episode 17: Jamie Wright

2. Episode 12: Derek Webb

3. Episode 1: Tony Kriz

4. Episode 6: Shane Claiborne

5. Episode 3: Tony Campolo

6. Episode 11: Richard Foster

7. Episode 4: Roger Olson

8. Episode 2: Mary Demuth

9. Episode 19: Scot McKnight

10. Episode 5: Katelyn Beaty